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28 October 2005 @ 01:35 am
6 more days of Ramadan  
Ramadan started back on Oct 4 and goes until Nov 2. I usually try to know when it starts, and I missed it this year. Strangely, I know less Muslims in Seattle than I did in Lawrence. If there are Muslims in your life, this is a time of fasting and meditation - no food until sundown each day for an entire month. The Jew in the Lotus suggests the following outreach & tolerance activity: bring a Muslim friend a hearty (vegetarian - good way to be certain the dish is OK, there are rules in Islam as with Judaism about which meats are and aren't OK) dish on the final evening of Ramadan to help them celebrate the big break fast. In a time when many Muslims are on the defensive, I'm sure it's also very much OK to let them know a few days beforehand what you'd like to do and ask if the food you have in mind is OK.
Current Mood: self-perpetuating insomnia
Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 09:11 am (UTC)
Ramadan ends the day after the new moon 28 days after the beginning of the holiday. When the first sliver of moon is seen then Ramadan ends. If the skies are cloudy then it continues until the moon is seen. This is what I was told by most of the Muslims I worked and talked with when I was in Africa. It's also dependant on the sect as well as personal practices, but generally from new moon to the next which is why the time of year changes.
Kburgunder on October 28th, 2005 09:25 am (UTC)
I didn't know this! I just looked up the US dates *chagrin*

I'm always so fascinated by the non-Pagan religions that keep up with the moon cycles for determining religious dates, and given the Christian propensity to set a date, I'm always surprised that Easter still follows the organic calendar (I think several others do as well, but I think the section of my brain that stored random religious information has been annexed by the ancient mythology department). The Jews have a "three stars in the sky" to determine true sundown for their celebrations, but I don't know if they have a clouds clause. The clouds in Seattle must be a special problem if this practice is observed here... on day 5 after 28 days of fasting, if I were a Muslim, I'd be driving east of the pass to see the Moon...!
Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 09:28 am (UTC)
It has nothing to do with it being spotted here. It has to be seen in Mecca.
Kburgunder on October 28th, 2005 09:41 am (UTC)
A and I were talking about something related to this the other day... the Sukkos (sp?) just ended - the Jewish harvest tradition of building a sukkot (big outdoorsy shelter with a bunch of rules I can't quite recite - things like 1/4 of the sky must be visible, only 3 walls are allowed...) brought up a lot of weather questions for me, and we both started wondering how much the desert environment did or didn't allow for a set of rules that are a lot harder to follow in places with very different climates. Maybe the inundation happens around the same time as Sukkos, though, I haven't looked it up yet.

And, heh, then it starts to rain against my window...

Maybe that'll put me to sleep...
Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 09:30 am (UTC)
And "pagan" is more a point of view I think. ;) I've gotten to where I ask "yes, but what kind of pagan are you?" If you ask the Muslims (the extremists and fundies) the Christians are and visa versa.
Kburgunder on October 28th, 2005 09:36 am (UTC)
I ran this big religious tolerance website back in the 90s and I learned quickly that rule number one with a self-identifying Pagan was to say, "Tell me what you believe". When I personally refer to Pagan with a capital-P, I'm referring to either polytheists, earth spiritual or feminine spiritual people - and even that probably doesn't quite cover it. Pagan and infidel, in the deragatory context, are right up there with the deragtory n- word for a Black person for me. I guess Pagan has been successfully reclaimed in my mind, because hearing it used in a Catholic or Baptist sermon for "not Christian" strikes me as a gross misuse of the word.
Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 09:42 am (UTC)
I generally take it that way to...as a blanket answer. Covers a lot of ground in a short phrase. I'm pagan, but my point of view tends to make most Wiccans want to pull my fingernails out. But when talking to others I want more details, I want to know what facet of the gem they're looking into. "Pagan" alone doesn't begin to cover the diversity that exists in the non-mainstream faiths.
Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 09:50 am (UTC)
When I was younger and would run into new young "crafties" right after the Craft came out and they wanted to know what kind of witch I was (they automaticly assumed I was a witch) I'd tell them I as Gilliganian. It's a chaos tradition, with a well meaning but chaotic god at it's center. Under him are 3 women representing Maiden, Mother and Crone and 3 men representing Strength, Intelligence and Fruitfulness.

I'd string them along with this until they either figured it out or I took pity.
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Lawstlawst on October 28th, 2005 05:55 pm (UTC)
Re: Have I told you recently

While the site has nothing about Gilliganian Witchraft, it does have a filk of the theme song. Lots of humor.
VAXhackervaxhacker on October 29th, 2005 12:30 am (UTC)
That's awesome :)
VAXhackervaxhacker on October 29th, 2005 12:33 am (UTC)
Maybe it's because of having a few Pagan friends over the years, but that tendency to use "Pagan" as meaning "not Christian" (or "not Christian enough" (i.e., just like me)) by some people has always annoyed me.

What really puzzles me is the trend I've noticed in some circles to label anything non-Christian (enough) as "Hindu". Wha???

MIT - MILF In Trainingspeedie316 on October 28th, 2005 02:53 pm (UTC)
:-D That is so awesome.